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Thursday, 14 July 2011

The Madine Family of Killyleagh

Elizabeth Madine was the wife of Joseph Stewart, ironmonger of County Down and Dublin. They were our paternal great-great grandparents.
Elizabeth's parents were Robert Madine and Margaret Frew, both from Killyleagh, Co. Down.

http://alison-stewart.blogspot.ie/2011/07/joseph-stewart-and-elizabeth-madine.html

http://alison-stewart.blogspot.ie/2013/04/the-descendantsfamily-of-joseph-and-ann.html

Robert Madine and Margaret Frew were married by licence by the Rev. E. Hincks (who was a respected Egyptologist) in the Church of Ireland church in Killyleagh on October 7th 1826.   The LDS website gives a date of birth for a Robert: born 11th Feb, 1806 in Downpatrick to Patrick and Eliza Ann Madine - I noted the same event in the register of Downpatrick parish church.
Robert's name was later spelt as McDine in the Killyleagh register.

The 'Downpatrick Recorder' of 16th August 1862 published a piece on the Downpatrick election of 1797 - two of the named voters there were Alexander and John Madine, both butchers of Downpatrick and therefore possible ancestors to the Madine family discussed in this post.

Robert Madine's brother was John Madine, born in Downpatrick to Patrick and Eliza on 19th January 1804.
John Madine, butcher of Downpatrick, was declared insolvent there in February 1841. ('Northern Whig', 11th Feb.1841.)
A John Madine of Downpatrick was married on 27th January 1838 by the Presbyterian minister Rev. S.C. Nelson - his bride was Mary, the daughter of Johnston Martin of Quoile, Downpatrick. ('Belfast Newsletter', 2nd January 1838). John Madine was a farmer/cattle dealer, and he died on 14th March 1889 at Irish Street, Downpatrick.  Mary Madine, his widow, was still alive in 1889.

I noted down the records of Protestant Madines of Downpatrick from the Church of Ireland register in the Proni Offices in Belfast, and sourced other records on Ancestry.com: 

Baptism, 26th November 1764 - Anne McDine born to Patrick and Anne.
Baptism, 15th April 1767 - Mary McDine born to Patrick and Anne.

Baptism, 16th March 1777 - Anne Madine, born to John and Jane.
Baptism, 30th October 1785 - Ann Madine, born to John and Jane.
Baptism, August 17th 1791 - Elizabeth Louisa Madine, born to John and Jane.
Baptism, September 2nd 1793 - Mary Madine, born to John and Jane.
Baptism, 1st March 1797 - William Madine, born to John and Jane.
Baptism 27th November 1809 - Margaret Madine, born to John and Jane.

Baptism, 19th September 1802 - James Madine, born to Edward and Anne.
Baptism, 11th February 1805 - Edward Madine, born to Edward and Anne.
Baptism, 17th April 1810 - John Madine, born to Edward and Anne.
Baptism 4th July 1811 - Anne, born to Edward and Anne.

Baptism, 19th January 1804 - John Madine, born to Patrick and Eliza.
Baptism, 11th February 1806 - Robert Madine, born to Patrick and Eliza (named as Eliza ANN on Ancestry.)
Baptism, 21st April 1809 - Patrick Madine, born to Patrick and Eliza. (A Patrick Madine born 1810, died in Downpatrick in 1891.)
Baptism, 18th November 1811 - William Madine, born to Patrick and Eliza.
Baptism, 12th December 1815 - Anne Madine, born to Patrick and Eliza.

Baptism 25th February 1819 - James Madine, born to Patrick Madine and Margaret.
Baptism 22nd January 1822 - Eliza Madine, born to Patrick and Margaret Maditne.
Baptism 20th July 1823 - Margaret, born to Patrick and Margaret Madine. (Margaret Madine became a child's maid, and was sentenced, on 26th March 1840, aged 17, to 7 years' deportation for pick-pocketing;  she sailed to Austalia aboard the 'Margaret', and married a fellow deportee, Edward Short, who'd been born in 1813 in Armagh, on 8th November 1841.  They had a daughter, Margaret Alexandra Victoria Short, born 14th April 1863 in Wellington Vale, New South Wales.  Margaret Madine Short died in Warwick, Australia, on 5th March 1906;  her husband, Edward Short, had died after falling from a bridge in Wellington on 9th July 1879.
Baptism,  September 7th 1825 - Susan Madine, born to Patrick Madine and Margaret Earles.
Baptism, 28th November 1826 - William Madine, born to Patrick and Margaret Madine.
Baptism, August 29th 1830 - Alexander Madine, born to Patrick Madine, a labourer, and Margaret Easley.  (Aexander, a miner, settled in Cumberland, UK, and married a woman named Rose there;  they had John in 1853, Elizabeth in 1855, Harriet in 1857, Margaret in 1862, Catherine in 1869, Alexander in 1870 and William Cleator Madine in 1872.)

Baptism, 13th July 1825 - Richard Madine, born to Richard and Jane Madine.

Baptism, 15th November 1826 - Elizabeth Madine, born to William Madine.
Baptism, 9th November 1828 - Margaret Madine, born to William and Mary.

Baptism, April 9th 1833 - Sarah Madine, born to Patrick Madine, a butcher, and Mary.
Baptism, August 23rd 1835 - Anne Jane, born to Patrick, a butcher, and Mary. 
Baptism 19th January 1838 - Male child, born to Patrick and Mary Madine.
Baptism, 25th July 1841 - Sarah Madine, born to Patrick and Mary Madine.
Baptism, 29th August 1845 - John Madine, born to Patrick and Mary Madine.

Burial, 14th November 1761 - Widow McDine,
Burial, 13th November 1763 - Patrick McDine, son of Patrick McDine.
Burial, 1832 - John Madine, aged 84.
Burial, January 17th 1837 - Jane Madine, aged 86.


The children of our Robert Madine Senior and Margaret Frew of Killyleagh, Co. Down, were as follows:
  • July 23rd 1828: John Madine.  He never married.
  • July 9th 1830:  Mary Anna Madine. (A Mary Anne Madine married James Grimes on 7th September 1868 in Kilmore Catholic Church, but Mary Anne is a common name....)
  • March 10th 1832: Margaret Madine who married John Frew.
  • Aug. 12th 1833:  Robert Madine Junior who married Martha Madine, the daughter of undertaker George Madine; the bride and groom were not related.
  • March 3rd 1835: Elizabeth Madine, who later married Joseph Stewart.
  • Oct. 7th 1838: Jane Madine who died.
  • Dec. 29th 1841: a 2nd Jane Madine to the same parents - the first Jane would have died in infancy and the second was named after the first. Jane Madine later married Robert Stewart,  the brother of Joseph Stewart.

(Although a Robert Madine witnessed the wedding of Richard Lowry and Mary Jane Bell in Killyleagh 1st Presbyterian Church on May 4th 1839, the second witness being a John Bell,  there were two Robert Madines in Killyleagh at this time.  The other Robert Madine married Ann Bell on 31st Oct. 1874 in Ballynahinch Catholic Church, while a John Madine married Eliza Bell in Kilmore Catholic Church on 31st January 1875.)

Robert Madine, husband of Margaret Frew, was a butcher of Killyleagh - there is a record of Robert Madine, (senior)operating as a butcher on Front Street, Killyleagh, in 1846.
He reappears on Griffiths Valuation in 1863, still in the house on Front Street, renting the house, yard and garden from landlord James Henderson.

On a list of past masters of St. John's Masonic Lodge (No.113) in Killyleagh, we find Robert Madine's name appearing for 1854, 1857, 1858 and 1865.   The Masonic membership registers, viewable on Ancestry.com, note that he joined Lodge 113 on 5th January 1829, was excluded in March 1840 and readmitted in November 1855.  The later register of membership notes him again, this time as old Robert Madine, and includes his two sons, Robert Madine Jr. and John Madine, both of whom had joined the lodge on 7th February 1859.

The Belfast Newsletter of 28th June 1861 reported upon a masonic banquet held by Robert Madine in his own house in Killyleagh to celebrate St. John's Day.  Lodges 30 and 113 assembled in his home for a dinner prepared by Mrs. Madine (ie, Margaret Madine, née Frew) for 40 people.  Songs were sung, one of them by an A. Madine.

The 'Belfast Newsletter' of 27th July 1875 reported the death of butcher Robert Madine's wife, Margaret (1801 - 1875), in Killyleagh on 26th July 1875.  She was buried in Killyleagh Church.  Her husband, Robert Madine, died there in 1889 aged 84.


Many of Robert Madine and Margaret Frew's children moved to work in Belfast city centre at the same time as Joseph Stewart. Joseph Stewart married their daughter, Elizabeth Madine, in Belfast in 1865. Their wedding was witnessed by Elizabeth's siblings, John and Margaret Madine.
http://alison-stewart.blogspot.ie/2011/07/joseph-stewart-and-elizabeth-madine.html

Elizabeth's brother, Robert Madine Jnr, married Martha Madine in the same Church of Ireland church of St. Anne's on 23rd April 1860. He gave his profession as a butcher the same as his father.  The families of Robert Madine and Martha Madine were not related in any way.

Martha's father was George Madine (1822 - 1887) who was mentioned in the Belfast Street Directories as a pawnbroker of Church Street in 1850 but from 1852 on he worked as an undertaker.
1852:  George Madine, funeral undertaking and posting establishment, 7 York Street.
1870:  George Madine,  funeral undertaking and posting establishment,  23 York Street.
1877:  George Madine,  funeral undertaker,  96a + 98a Divis Street;  res, 2 Bertie Place.

George Madine, undertaker of York Street, married a woman by the name of Ann Kelter - her name appears in the register of St. Patrick's, Belfast, when the couple baptised two of their children there - on 30th June 1839 they baptised a daughter, M.A.Madine (Mary Anne?), while another daughter, Eliza Madine, was baptised in 12th August 1842.
George Madine, undertaker, died a widower on 30th January 1887, aged 65, at 16 Arnon Street, and the informant was his son, the cardriver John Madine.  He died of debility.

George Madine's son, John Madine of York Street, married Teresa Cinnamond, the daughter of nailor Samuel and Mary Cinnamond of Peter's Hill, Belfast, on 19th November 1870 in St. Mary's, Belfast.  Although being initially accused of murdering his wife who died on 9th July 1854, the court declared Samuel Cinnamond innocent, Mary having died of acute alcoholism.  On 14th February 1855, Samuel Cinnamond, son of Thomas Cinnamond, married again;  his second spouse was Catherine Rea (born circa 1839), the daughter of John Rea of Peters Hill.  Catherine Cinnamond was present when William Madine, the son of John Madine and Teresa Cinnamond, was born on 18th July 1873 in Marquis Street.
Cardriver John Madine and Teresa Cinnamond had other children in Belfast - Mary Anne Madine was born on 2nd February 1876 and was baptised in St. Mary's on 3rd February.
Samuel Madine was baptised there on 10th September 1871 - later a soldier, the UK census for 1901 recorded him visiting his widowed step-grandmother, who was by then living in Glasgow.

On 26th September 1887, cardriver John Madine was accidentally killed when the two horses, pulling the hearse he was in charge of, bolted and dragged him under the wheels.

(A son of an undertaker, Robert Madine, was George Madine, a driver of 50 Boyd Street, who, in St. Patrick's, Belfast, on 7th October 1882, married Margaret Totton of 50 Alton Street, daughter of the late James Totton.  This was witnessed by a James Orr and a Mary Hollywood.  Was this a grandson of the undertaker, George Madine? )

A son of the undertaker, George Madine, was the customs officer, William Madine, who had been born in about 1845 and who married on 1st November 1871 in St. Patrick's Catholic Church in Belfast, the Scottish-born Rose Anne Flynn.  She was the daughter of a Belfast printer, William Flynn of 27 Foreman Street, and had been born in Scotland in about 1850.
William Madine and Rose Anne Flynn settled for a time in Ballina, Co. Mayo, where their children were born.  Agnes (Maria) Madine had been born 25th December 1874 in Ballina, Mayo to customs officer William Madine and Rose Anne Flynn, and had been baptised in Kilmoremoy, Ballina.   Her sister, Elizabeth, had been born there on 10th November 1876. Earlier, the same couple had baptised a son, George Madine, who had been born at Castle Road,  Ballina on 30th March 1873. In the parish register the baby's father, William Madine, was described as 'pater acatholicus' which means he wasn't actually Catholic, although this was incorrect.
Agnes and her sister, Elizabeth Madine, appear on the 1901 Irish Census at Earls Court Street, Belfast, along with their Scottish born widowed mother Roseanne Madine; Rose Anne Madine died at 20 Earlscourt Road, Belfast, aged 56, on 20th August 1908.
The daughter of Rose Ann Flynn and William Madine, Agnes Madine, emigrated to New York - the passenger lists of the time record her as coming and going before finally settling there for good.  She applied for naturalisation in 1923 -at the time she was living with her first cousin, George Madine, the son of her father's sister, Martha. The address was 650 10th Ave Nyc.  ‘The Cedric’ manifest shows her up again, this time arriving in New York in 1921.  Her closest relation in Belfast was noted as her aunt, Miss Flynn, of 36 Athol St., Belfast.   In 1928, the passenger lists once again capture her returning to New York from Belfast where she had been staying with a friend, Mrs. May Close of Hallidrop Road, and she was once again returning to her cousin, George Madine of 650 10th Avenue, New York.

But returning to the butcher, Robert Madine Jr.   From the 1861 Street Directory, I found Robert Madine Jnr's address from this time:  29 York Street, the same street as his father-in-law, the undertaker George Madine, and very close to his brother-in-law Joseph Stewart's address of Arnon Street.  Robert Madine Jnr moved back to his hometown of Killyleagh shortly afterwards. In 1879, one of the Robert Madines was noted as a vestryman in Killyleagh parish church.

Robert Madine Junior and Martha Madine's children were all born in Killyleagh, although several were baptised Catholic in St. Patrick's, Belfast.
  • George Madine, was born in 1861, and was baptised in St. Patrick's, Belfast, on 30th August 1861. The sponsors were named in the register as John Madine and Elizabeth Madine.
  • Joseph Madine, born 26th March 1865 in Killyleagh; he was also baptised by his parents in St. Patrick's, on 3rd November 1865.
  • Martha Madine was born 8th Sept 1868 in Killyleagh.
  • Thomas Madine, born in Killyeagh on 24th Oct. 1870.  He was baptised in the Catholic St. Peter's in Belfast, on 13th October 1877;  a note in the register read '...baptised conditionally, father a Protestant'.  The sponsor at the baptism was a possible relation Mary O'Hagan - Thomas's grandmother was Ann Kelter, the wife of undertaker George Madine. A Hannah Kelter had married a John O'Hagan in St. Patrick's, Belfast, on 4th August 1848.
  • Jane Madine, born 4th Dec. 1873; she died almost immediately.

Both Robert Madine Snr and Robert Madine Jnr probably worked alongside each other in the same premises on Front Street in Killyleagh as I can find no reference to two separate Robert Madines working as butchers in the Downpatrick or Killyleagh area. John Madine, one of Robert Madine Senior's other sons, was working as a butcher in Downpatrick at this time. Both Robert Madine Jnr and his brother, John, appear on the 1901 Census living in Catherine Street, Killyleagh - neither have any idea of their true ages, as they get their birthdates wrong both on the census and on Robert's marriage cert of 1860.
Robert Madine Junior, widowed butcher, died in Killyleagh on 25th May 1909, aged 76, and was buried in Killyleagh parish churchyard on 26th May 1909.

Emigration:
On a police census of Killyleagh for 1891 - 1899,  Elizabeth Madine Stewart's brother, Robert Madine Jnr., appears at 11 Hamilton Lane, a boarder in the house of Samuel Casement.  There is no sign of his wife, Martha, nor of any of his children.
On the 1901 Census, Robert Madine Jnr., butcher, appears with his brother, John Madine, in Catherine Street, Killyleagh. Robert states that he is a widower.
However, I have discovered a record of his wife, Martha Madine, on the New York City census of 1900 which hints at a complete marriage breakdown. She also states that she is widowed, was born in 1840, emigrated in 1890 and is living with her son George.

The Belfast newspaper of the day give some explanation for the marriage breakdown of Robert and Martha Madine.  The edition of 13th January 1862 reports upon a law case brought by George Madine against his own son-in-law Robert Madine, wherein George Madine tried to gain repossession of a house on York Street.  George stated that Robert Madine was NOT related to his own family before his marriage to his daughter in March 1860.  Robert had been given the house on York Street as a marriage portion but only for one year.   George's wife, Mrs. Madine, stated that she had opposed the marriage between her daughter and Robert Madine since her church (Catholic) opposed such mixed marriages. Robert, however, had gone down on one knee and had promised to become Roman Catholic and was later baptised as such.   "The house was only given for the one year," she said, "as her daughter was a fortune in herself." (Laughter in court.)  Robert Madine had only seen his wife once before the wedding and had received the house forever - his brother, J. Madine confirmed that he'd been with his brother when this had been agreed.

The Belfast Newsletter of 15th January 1862 continued the Madine saga.  Robert Madine, a butcher resident in Belfast, brought a case against his father-in-law to recover £40 stolen from him.  Robert stated in court that he was a butcher who came to Belfast on 1st November and married the daughter of the defendant about a year and eight months since. He received a house as a marriage portion with his wife, and commenced business in the same house.  His father-in-law lived next door.
On Easter Sunday he had £53 in the house, money he had earned at market the day before and with which he intended buying three beasts.    He left Belfast to visit his father, leaving the key to his house with his mother-in-law.  He went to Killyleagh with his wife and sister-in-law, and discovered his cash missing when he returned the next day.   His mother-in-law, Mrs. Madine, said she'd entered his house to get a coat, it being a rainy day, and went in a second time to make the bed.

It's unclear when the marriage broke down for good, but Martha and her family headed to New York leaving her estrange husband, Robert Madine, behind in Killyleagh.

There is further detail on the Madine's emigration to New York here:
http://alison-stewart.blogspot.ie/2012/01/madine-family-from-belfast-to-new-york.html

Margaret Madine (born 1832 to Robert Madine Senior and Margaret Frew) and John Frew:
Margaret Madine, Elizabeth Madine Stewart's older sister, married John Frew, a sailor, in Carnmoney Church of Ireland, north of Belfast city, on July 13th 1859.
John had been born on 15th February 1830 to Daniel Frew in Queenstown, Co. Cork. A quick search of the 1901 census shows that John Frew was the only Frew to have been born in Cork, which seems to suggest that his family didn't come from there;  Daniel Frew may have been a naval man like his son, and have been temporarily stationed there.

I accessed the naval records for John Frew on the UK National Archives Discovery website.  He had been a member of the Irish Coastguard, who had joined up on 14th December 1857, at the age of 27.  The record gave a brief description of him too - he was 5'7", with brown hair, dark eyes and dark complexion. His detailed service records only date from 1st January 1873, when he was on board the Vanguard, stationed at Carrickfergus.  He was known to have been a member of the Vanguard crew when it sank off the Wicklow coast while on a Coastguard training exercise. No lives were lost.  John Frew was the chief boatman of the Belleisle from 2nd July 1878 until 13th April 1880.  From 1th April 1880 until 5th November 1880 he was stationed in Ballymacaw, Dunmore East, in Co. Wexford, and was noted there as Chief Boatman in Charge from 6th November 1880 until 2nd December 1880.  There then followed a stint at Curracloe, Co. Wexford from 3rd December until his retirement on 15th February 1890 when they pensioned him off.  Curracloe in Wexford was where he and Margaret Madine were living in 1901 and 1911.  John Frew also served aboard the Iron Duke and the Topaze.

John Frew and Margaret Madine had 4 children in Co. Antrim, presumably while he was stationed at Carrickfergus:
  • David Frew, born 9th April 1865;  a David Frew, aged 0, died there the same year.
  • Mary Elizabeth, 1866, born in the Whitehouse district of Co. Antrim.
  • Teresa Jane Frew, 9th April 1869.
  • John Frew,  born 18th March 1868 - this son died later the same year.
Margaret and John Frew appear on the 1901 and 1911 Censuses with their unmarried daughter, Teresa, living in Curracloe,  Co. Wexford. John Frew was a retired naval officer, although in 1885 he was noted as the chief boatman of the coastguard in Curracloe, Co. Wexford.  His daughter, Teresa, was a schoolteacher.
The 1911 Census tells us that the couple had had eight children but only two survived.  I'm unsure who the second surviving child was.

The family of John Frew is discussed in further detail here:
http://alison-stewart.blogspot.ie/2013/03/the-frew-family-of-killyleagh-co-down.html)


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